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MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, as he described it, we had been to visit the Pollocks in Springs and we were so moved and overcome by Jackson's work and genius and the pictures we'd seen that we vowed and made a sort of mutual promise that we ourselves in homage to his urge would work and be true and produce and transcend. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes. And Jackson was protecting himself and working in East Hampton. The Phillips Collection, Washington, D.C. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I had not met him until I saw his show. It was a Rockefeller experiment with Lincoln and one of the few good experiments in progressive education. In other words, given one's own talent for curiosity that you could explore, originate, discover from Pollock as one might, say, Picasso, or [Arshile] Gorky or [Wassily] Kandinsky in a way that de Kooning was a closed oeuvre. The New York Times / But I would, again in that American expedient thing you were talking about, thinking ideas in my language. But I did more abstract things and larger things. And he's an Australian. I mean I was not functioning. I mean you remember going? It is a totally abstract picture but it had that additional quality in it for me. I think I'd already been using enamel but probably knowing he did but maybe not having seen him with the paint pots. Summary: An interview of Helen Frankenthaler conducted 1968, by Barbara Rose, for the Archives of American Art. With Mountains and Sea (1952), the artist developed the stained colour technique, in which paint is used as dye to directly impregnate the canvas. I mean what were you attracted to? Organised by the Helen Frankenthaler Foundation in conjunction with Venetian Heritage, it is the first presentation of her work in Venice since 1966, when she was a star of the American pavilion alongside Roy Lichtenstein, Ellsworth Kelly and Jules Olitski. Woodcut composition - The Museum of Modern Art, New York. Archive; Sunshine after Rain, Helen Frankenthaler, 1987, Minneapolis Institute of Art: Prints and Drawings. I don't remember experiencing that. MS. ROSE: Both. MS. ROSE: It drips. Born in Manhattan, she was influenced by Hans Hofmann, Jackson Pollock's paintings and by Clement Greenberg. I still wanted to see everything that was going on and being shown. We would go to the Schrafft Bar or the Ritz Tower Bar. The interaction among the lines and the paint, the use of colour, and the blank, unpainted portion of canvas prompted the following words from Clement Greenberg: Is it finished? And I think that's one reason that, I mean, I took pictures off the wall. What were your favorites and what did you see in them that you liked? MS. ROSE: After breaking up with Clem did you feel there was a change in your painting? I'm trying to pick up where we left off. But it used to be thrilling. I at 26, having made the pictures I had made between 21 and 26, one inevitably shifts. MS. ROSE: I get a feeling that you were your father's favorite [inaudible]? [Inaudible] which is a logical step. He might have been there that summer but I only stayed at Black Mountain about --. And my mother was, as he wanted her, totally involved in the children, mnage, and being his wife and the wife of a New York figure. He just did what he did. And I had done watercolors at Black Mountain and some paintings in my studio that still really hold up beautifully and that are only mine. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Right. But it was beautiful that what followed from my real interest in Kandinsky was an opening up, an awareness. In the years that followed, Frankenthaler continued using the new method she had developed, drawing on her abiding love of landscape for inspiration. Looked at Marin a great deal. And my parents couldn't get over it. Did it make a difference? Or a certain kind of Matisse. Whereas Gloria and I have never made it and never will. MS. FRANKENTHALER: And I reviewed [Theodoros] Stamos's show at Betty Parsons [Gallery] and wrote a little column and also reshuffled her filing cabinet. SIDE B Here, dynamic passages of blue interplay with red, plum, and yellow, evoking a gently descending firework. I mean, we had --. We were married in April but we still celebrate December 15. Youre welcome to read this story for free or subscribe to enjoy unlimited access. When I think about it now it seems like the most schmaltzy, pathetic, embarrassing moment, as Larry remembers it, with the two of us standing on on sort of Heathcliff dunes of East Hampton romantically swearing into the future. I worked there. Both born of wealthy parents, the pair was known as "the golden couple" and noted for their lavish entertaining. Terribly upsetting. Since Motherwell and Frankenthaler had both come from privilege, the two aroused jealousy among other, cash-poor Abstract Expressionist artists and were famously nicknamed "the golden couple.". Courtesy the Helen Frankenthaler Foundation Archives, New York. One thing I have never liked is a drip, I mean --. I can't remember the third one. The [Peter Paul] Rubens, most of the [inaudible]. And I would write it verbatim today. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Paul [Feeley] had enormous vitality. But I could do Braques and Picassos that were angelic and completely understood, I mean really. As a whole, Frankenthalers style is almost impossible to broadly characterize. I had lost my father. But again the way I was telling about using the expedient thing at hand, I might have been very impatient to paint and a combination of impatience, laziness, and innovation decided why not put it on straight? Jackson would call up every so often in the middle of the night and in a drunken quandary or rage or appeal assume that Clem as an authority figure or friend would be at the end of the line to receive him, and Clem would always say, "You have one hell of a nerve calling me at three a.m. A Lecture by Avis Berman, writer, curator, and historian of American art, architecture, and culture. ~ This art history for kids post was originally published on October 24, 2014. And we did. MS. ROSE: A diving board? I mean according to how much water you put in it. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, after that show I would go out with Clem to Springs and [inaudible]. I think it was Matisse. I mean in a severe attack I would just go to pieces. I never cried, really, by heart. MS. FRANKENTHALER: With Tamayo I did things like Starry Night[Vincent Van Gogh, 1889], reaching for the stars, sort of Picasso, Watermelon Eater [Tamayo, 1949], ultramarine blues and oranges and things. I was then working in a medium of, and this was brief, I have maybe ten pictures of this, plaster of Paris, enamel house paint, tube pigment, sand, and probably kerosene or something. And Grace burst into tears. What I decided, it was too much rent and too much space. What were you attracted to? The artist worked on this painting both vertically and on the floor. New York , NY 10010, Washington, D.C. Headquarters and Research Center. Their lack of illusionistic space embodied what Greenberg articulated as modernist painting's logical end result: an increasing embrace of medium's intrinsic quality, which for him was the concept of 'flatness,' or the two-dimensionality of the picture plane. Try, you know, to get a different quality? Alongside the 58th Venice Biennale, Palazzo Grimani de Santa Maria Formosa is presenting PITTURA/PANORAMA, an exhibition of works by the American painter Helen Frankenthaler (1928-2011) highlighting the relationship between the evolution of her painting throughout her career and the theme of the panoramic landscape.. And they came for a drink. MS. ROSE: What were you painting at Bennington? I came up to stay with the [Hans and Miz] Hofmanns. And I was already, you know, just mad about the idea of Bennington. I don't like chess or, you know, games competition. MS. FRANKENTHALER: And the two of them, Al and Grace, both modeling to make a nickel at the Art Students League [of New York, Manhattan, New York]. And it sort of laid an egg up there. Um-hm. I mean there was no issue about taking them or not taking them. But one of them was at Clem's on Bank Street that I brought up to show him or something. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No. And he was an adored man. "My sister Jeannie and I lived with Helen and our father, Robert Motherwell, for a decade of [] Signup for our free weekly newsletter here Arts & Minds BOOK REVIEW You know, I mean I feel a connection with painters of the past or present but none you could say are women. MS. ROSE: [Inaudible.]. But I mean I was already in the Bennington swing of myth, ritual, criticism. In other words, the great Cezannes that are not all filled in. And it developed from there. So we split it right down the middle. MS. FRANKENTHALER: When I saw the show I don't know if I did. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Just the Wallace Harrison work period, and that was only through him, and I mean Jim and Charlotte. I read an account by Larry Rivers of the time that you visited Pollock in 1951. MS. ROSE: Were you ever conscious of transferring a kind of watercolor technique to oil painting? Of course you're asking me, so I can say. And when insecure terribly threatened. And she knew that while I would graduate at sixteen and that I had no record that would let anybody in their right mind let me go from a failing sophomore to a senior at the age of fifteen she banked on it. Photograph by Cora Kelley Ward. Well, that's what's very difficult about him. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes, but without any connection. Or wildly blotto, drunk and a mess. Several years after being honored at the prominent gallery Knoedler & Company in New York with the exhibition Frankenthaler at Eighty: Six Decades, Frankenthaler died in 2011 at her home in Darien, Connecticut. Yes. She had been chosen to represent the United States at the Venice Biennale in 1966 at age 38, relatively early on in an artist's career. She is fantastic." MS. ROSE: Do you feel you really [inaudible]? He just didn't choose to be or couldn't be. In fact, one of the reasons I might have used the plaster of Paris was that I wanted that thing that you get on the floor but I didn't know yet that it had to be on the floor. MS. ROSE: Well, that was really Al and Grace, though, very much. But I have a feeling I really don't want to. December 29, 2006, By William C. Agee / +33 (0)1 55 26 90 29. Which is one of the reasons I think he didn't express and dwell on all his particular talents. All Arts & Culture Stories MS. ROSE: Critical revisions of [inaudible]. Working on a large canvas placed on the floor, Frankenthaler thinned her oil paints with turpentine and used window wipers, sponges, and charcoal outlines to manipulate the resulting pools of pigment. And in the usual part of the social life of the, with the Hofmanns, ran into the Motherwells. Dorothy Gees Seckler Collection of Sound Recordings Relating to Art and Artists, 1962-1976. MS. ROSE: You met Pollock at the show? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I think it's a life measuring stick. MS. ROSE: What were you interested in, say, the 50s? I didn't start there until the following March instead of entering in September. Although the central white shape suggests a butterfly, this print evokes rather than depicts its subject, with a sense of delicacy appropriate for the Japanese heroine of Puccini's tragic opera of the same name. I wouldn't ask a high school student to do what I had to do with filing cabinets and paper clips [inaudible]. And I'm concerned with being myself, getting to know more and more what that is, what is possible, and what the real meaning of beauty and development is. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, there was so much mitha [?] That whole thing that I go for, the light line drawing. Many that were in the recent Pollock show. I mean the physical paintings? As an active painter for nearly six decades, she went through a variety of phases and stylistic shifts. By then the summer was over. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Like eleven. But he was also filled with curiosity. In 1985, I hardly painted at all for three months, and it was agonizing. Well, I have all the colors and all the tools and all the canvas but I like to - not for the sake of money or retentiveness - but I like to play with the possibilities of the limits I've made for myself. In 1959, her work was featured in the collective publication School of New York: Some Young Artists, edited by Bernard H. Friedman, and her work shown at documenta 2 Kassel, at the fifth So Paulo Biennale, and at the Paris Biennale, which featured her painting Jacobs Ladder. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No, not very much. Words by Tim Hornyak. How did I start? MS. FRANKENTHALER: I have no idea except that I wanted something thick that would dry hard and fast that was flat. I was very young and it was sort of dreary. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think the thing that hit me most of all was that while I knew it was a fact, it became a physical necessity to get pictures off the easel, and therefore for me not even on a wall but the reach or fluidity of working from above down into a field. After representing the United States in 1966, Helen Frankenthaler returns to Venice May 7, 2019 Rediscovering Helen Frankenthaler through her prints at the Clark July 12, 2017 Celebrating 45 Years of Printmaking with Pace Prints September 11, 2015 Helen Frankenthaler "Composing with Color: Paintings 1962-1963" at Gagosian Gallery September 11, 2014 And we would really talk like passionate 16-year-olds. And we had a marvelous time. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I mean the Dove thing irritates me sometimes. But, well, now one picture I painted then was BlueTerritory [1955] which certainly is different from a lot of the pictures I had done in the early '50s. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think I knew it that last year at Dalton. MS. FRANKENTHALER: No. ", "There are no rules. MS. ROSE: Oh, I know he actually studied with Clem. MS. FRANKENTHALER: At Bennington. He was splayed out too much. MS. ROSE: I mean what would he praise, or what would he put down? I thought I was the only one who had these attacks, which would leave me literally the way a man is when he's had a stroke. She studied at The Dalton School, New York under the Mexican muralist Rufino Tamayo and at Bennington College, Vermont, under the American cubist Paul Feeley. The books and articles below constitute a bibliography of the sources used in the writing of this page. I remember writing about the [inaudible] by Stamos and, you know, his calling up and having a fit and saying, "Who is this?" ; 41 Pages, Transcript. And I was embarking on sort of discovering what I was about. November 8, 2008, By Hilton Kramer / MS. ROSE: You don't think of yourself as a lyrical painter? And for years I've been saying I'd like to. And it also teaches you a lot. And he worked terribly hard. It isn't that I want to experiment with style. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, let's say the seeds of it were always there and that my last year at Dalton, which pushes this kind of thing, opened up, you know I would go down to the New School in the early 40's, which was somewhat unusual for an 15-year-old Park Avenue Jewish girl, you know. Anyway, the entire art and literary world of the New York avant-garde showed up for this Bennington show. The New York Times / Nobody knew it the way I knew it because I had all kinds of ways to cover it up and be endearing and fit in. I mean for a decade there was just that little difference. Helen Frankenthaler was an American abstract expressionist painter. I mean specific things, kind of crucial things happened? Oh! But it was 'cause it was my teacher and I was invited to it. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Than another? MS. FRANKENTHALER: I'll take you sometime. I mean we used to have many, many lunches, dinners --. I still lived at London Terrace but went there daily and that was my existence. And of course if it doesn't work on the picture - well, that's a loss. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I think the lines disappear. [Inaudible.]. And that spring David Hare, who used to be sort of in and out of the Painter's Club [The Artist's Club], I was looking for a bigger studio because the railroad flat was suddenly too small, he was going to Europe and wanted to rent his studio on 10th Street. Of course I was staying with the Hofmanns. Number 14 was one I always remember. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I went through something around '59, '60 where I was really using --. MS. FRANKENTHALER: That's interesting. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, what really hit me were the Pollocks. And the problems would be "What happened?" I was going to marry Reginald Pollack. 1952 was the breakthrough year for Frankenthaler; upon returning home from a trip to Nova Scotia, she created Mountains and Sea, a groundbreaking canvas where she pioneered her "soak-stain" technique. Penguin Press. I mean it doesn't fit this context. . And the period between ten and fourteen I was really a wreck. Some other time I'll go into my appraisal of Grace's talent and personality. What did you do with him? The full face profile in every muscle. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes, I met him at the show. Never aggressive and sober. Whereas his black line wrapped up the package rather than the line functioning both as a shadow between the apple and the table cloth but also being a black sliver on a flat square. The achievement is also noteworthy given that Frankenthaler was just 24 years old at the time, while Pollock and de Kooning were in their 40s and 50s, and struggled many years before achieving recognition. I just couldn't think. But also very wary of "those Bennington girls" they do wild things, they bring Greenwich Village into the house, they write things you can't understand, they paint things you can't, yeah. In 1867, the northern half of the Grand Duchy (Upper Hesse) became a part of the North German Confederation, while the half of the Grand Duchy south of the Main (Starkenburg and Rhenish Hesse) remained Independent. He was picking a show of new talent for Kootz and he loved the picture and put me in it. And I was not a good athlete. But even then it was, you know, very casual and brief and without much exchange. What do you feel at home with that we haven't done? But I had no opinion and I had no experience and I had an interest and I was on guard. "She realized what was possible . I was off on my own. Didn't use his subject matter in the Surrealist sense. So that while I was very interested in the push-pull because of Paul and Wallace Harrison, and all I was learning through Clem on my own, it was sort of axiomatic that that would seep in and be part of me without my taking up painting with a Hofmann criticism class. And I was 17. It was on 23rd between 7th and 8th on the south side of the street. And Ken was painting sort of traditional abstract rather heavy cuisine easel size pictures. [Internet]. Helen Frankenthaler Award for Painting, 2022 . But it wasn't just that it was a competitive sport. MS. ROSE: In other words, listening to yourself. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, I have a whole series of pictures that are, I mean in a sense, landscapes. One is it's a kind of boring accident to me, a drip. Go against the rules or ignore the rules. MS. ROSE: I've been to his studio once. I did it largely because I wasn't sure about painting myself, and if I was sure, I had to prove to my family that I was also doing something legitimate and serious, and that sounded like a master's degree at Columbia. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Not that I was going to be a painter, but that I loved painting and things literary and loved involved language visually and in words. MS. ROSE: What did you like about it? I happened to pick colors fortunately that fit into the push and pull because I drew them that way. And of course another association as an adult would be the whole Rorschach experience, which was also important to me. . I mean he really was two different people. I was 20 then, 21. In my last year between [Eric] Fromm and Kenneth [Burke] for the first time I was aware of what symbols really mean and how language and rhetoric can really be used and the devices of dialectic fascinated me. Born in New York in 1928 (her father was a New York State Supreme Court judge), she first studied art with painter Rufino Tamayo . The one that the Modern just acquired was in it. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't remember. I couldn't speak. Her concern in this work with achieving the same vibrant color and amorphous forms as her painting resulted in a major technical innovation for this art form. What did you say? She was included in the 1964 Post-Painterly Abstraction exhibition curated by Clement Greenberg that introduced a newer generation of abstract painting that came to be known as Color Field. And it was good. But there was a whole range from [Earl] Kerkam to [Franz] Kline, [Giorgio] Cavallon, [Milton] Resnick,[Robert] Goodnough, and then the awareness of names like [Jean] Dubuffet and David Smith and all the sculptors, [Seymour] Lipton, [Ibram] Lassaw and so on. December 27, 2011, By Martha Schwendener / MS. ROSE: Do you feel you got anything particularly from Hofmann? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, not that I can ever commit. Call me in the morning after ten." And then I was in a studio with Friedl --. ], But generally, while I can recognize a master piece that is heavily painted or darkly painted or painted in layers as great and sublime, it would not be my choice to hang a [inaudible] for five years if I could instead perhaps have a Cezanne of the kind I just described. Language Note English . I had no interest other than the body. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, when I think of what I did that has to do with painting now, there are a couple of stories that I told Bob that I don't make anything out of but that always fascinated him. MS. ROSE: What kind of things did he say? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Yes. Do you see any breaks in your work? But I'm a good swimmer because it's my thing alone in the water. This story appears in a print issue of Kinfolk. And I liked that. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Exactly. Includes bibliographical references (p. 94-95) In 1952, at the age of twenty-three, Helen Frankenthaler created her legendary painting Mountains and Sea. Helen Frankenthaler discusses how she developed an approach to painting that transcends the usual scope of Abstract Expressionism. But I think what got to my particular sensibility was, aside from learning Cubism, [Wassily] Kandinsky. SPONSORED BY THE HARBOR HOTEL Anyway, it was after that that John Meyers came to my studio to look at pictures and he decided, he'd opened the gallery in, let's say, October and it opened with Marie Menken Mans with the life mounds and all that. But that was a Pollock notion of --. February 2, 1998, By Deborah Soloman / Anyway, after a real exchange we went out and had a drink around the corner. And he almost died with joy. But when he saw Mountains and Sea they really admired it, admired me, wondered at it, and were going to lick it. Overview Transcript She's still around. Were you aware of automatism of Surrealism at that time? Courtesy of Gordon Parks/Time Life Pictures/Getty Images. In other words, say around '50 and '51, it occurred to me that something ugly or muddy could be a color as well as something clear and bright and a nameable, beautiful, known color. And his school was, it was either that or Hofmann's. And you can [inaudible] filled or void centers. The Wall Street Journal / That, the last winter, the Wallace Harrison winter, and I shared a studio with Sonya in the Gramercy area in a railroad flat. By clicking "Accept" you agree to our terms and may continue to use Kinfolk.com. MS. ROSE: I mean, if you had to say, if you could say what you learned from Pollock, what would you say? And I was not --. MS. ROSE: Didn't your mother take you to a doctor at all? But I feel less and less concerned with this as an issue. His only pleasures were a box at the opera, dinners at Denny Moore's. I knew the names and I knew the approaches. And what he didn't understand was that that I didn't want the Bay that much in perspective. in Fine Arts, and that was because --. And until I was, oh, a senior in college there was still that conflict: did I want to do something with writing or reading, or paint. Fortunately I had some income because my father died and I didn't have to work, and just painted and looked at pictures and had a life with Clem and my friends. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, certainly Piero [della Francesca], Dello [di Niccolo Delli]. At first inspired by Cubism, her work later turned toward landscape, reflecting the influence of European painting. you know. MS. ROSE: That early you were doing this? In 1950, she met and became the partner of the critic Clement Greenberg, and befriended the artists David Smith, Lee Krasner, Jackson Pollock, Willem and Elaine de Kooning, Franz Kline, Adolph Gottlieb, and Barnett Newman. And I hung up the phone finally and headed for the door, late for some place. He used to pick them out from,he had a very big class and very often he would take one of mine as an example of this works, say. That to me it clicked because really having looked at Cubism, been in New York in 1950, knowing de Kooning, etcetera, this was a clinching point of departure to me. MS. FRANKENTHALER: [Laughter.] MS. FRANKENTHALER: Oh, all the time. And then I went to visit Clem. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Something like that. And it was as if I suddenly went to Lisbon and knew no Portuguese but had read enough and had a passionate interest in Lisbon and was eager to live there; I mean I wanted to live in this land, and I had to live there but I just didn't know the language. Having exhibited her work for over six decades (early 1950s until 2011), she spanned several generations of abstract painters while continuing to produce vital and ever-changing new work. Now I was never drawn to the idea of a stick dipped in a huge can. Helen Frankenthaler American Painter Born: December 12, 1928 - New York, New York Died: December 27, 2011 - Darien, Connecticut Abstract Expressionism Color Field Painting Helen Frankenthaler Summary Accomplishments Important Art Biography Influences and Connections Useful Resources Similar Art and Related Pages That, if he pushed an idea about a picture you weren't aware of what he wanted you to think or say or how it the seminar should keep it going. And just turn the whole thing around. I was developing, but I was also developing suddenly in the context of the New York avant-garde of 1951. Availability: This item has been digitally reformatted. I mean, and as adults talked about it. Most of the people were dingy. ArtNet Magazine / Bohemia was where I lived and had fun and the rest was where I belonged with my family. I mean it's like discovering along in a later life some nodule or lesion or double-jointedness or something, it's one of the most common. Well, how do you feel, say, your vision differed from what other people were doing? MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, I think as in anything involving work, experience, trial, error, accident, that suddenly there is an oeuvre and you read signs in it and then you either pick up or follow those signs or reject them and a strain or a sensibility or a wrist or an eye develops that becomes what a style is. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I had no feeling that now this is a break and I'm forgetting that aesthetic. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I knew [Marsden] Hartley, [John] Marin. I think, I have to look this up. By that I don't mean filling in the line. MS. FRANKENTHALER: Well, what happened was that, and I never know in this where and when and how to mention names or sentimental things, but I'll do it as it comes. What was his role in Pollock's life? MS. ROSE: Why do you title your paintings? And it's an exercise and a challenge that I love. But the next winter I, no, I'm wrong. The first winter was Wallace Harrison. Profusely illustrated with more than 95 plates and 40 archival images, the book features essays by Douglas Dreishpoon and Suzanne Boorsch; a roundtable discussion with Katharina Grosse, Pepe Karmel, and Mary Weatherford; an illustrated chronology and selected bibliography. And he was a mad Francophile and crazy about Picasso and [Jaques] Lipchitz. And by that time, it was, you know, we were all in each other's studios and everybody was commenting with love and excitement about everybody else's pictures. And suddenly I kind of blind-spotted, called aura, which is the beginning of a migraine. And I failed more and more and more. I mean I never knew what a migraine was. MS. ROSE: Well, what kind of qualities did you like? I stayed there about,well, 5 or 6 days. I mean you can never get a crowd like that together anymore. Helen Frankenthaler Soho Dreams, 1987 Hamilton-Selway Fine Art US$10,500 Helen Frankenthaler Beginnings, 2002 Eckert Fine Art US$28,500 Helen Frankenthaler Ramblas, 1987-1988 Hamilton-Selway Fine Art US$18,000 Helen Frankenthaler Untitled (Harrison 11), 1967 Alpha 137 Gallery US$25,000 Helen Frankenthaler Grey Fireworks , 2000 Ellen Miller Gallery MS. ROSE: A kind of an imprint instead of a. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't know. Affable, pleasant, but non-communicative, and not the image I had of him later, somebody drunken, wild, angry, demonstrative, wanton. The New Gallery? MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't know. MS. ROSE: Gottlieb must have a fantastic eye. By Susan Stamberg / And I became very friendly with Frieda so that I made new friends that were --. MS. ROSE: But did you ever have any idea of what was eating him? This large abstract painting uses a fairly pale range of colours orange red, green, and blue evoking the landscapes mentioned in the title. [Inaudible]. It was, you know, great then. I don't think it would serve that purpose anymore. MS. ROSE: Would he work and change things I mean as you talked? Yeah. When did you first start drawing and painting and caring about art. I have those drawings and they're marvelous. And I remember [Aristodimos] Kaldis coming out on the porch while I was painting it, I think in 1951, and trying to tell me how to make the picture look as if the piles of the wharf were really in the water. And the choice was either to take his advice or reject him completely. High Auction Record. MS. ROSE: Al who? MS. ROSE: How did you meet Friedel? MS. ROSE: Why? But that's what happened then. Clem probably said something like stay to meet him. And we'd go to shows. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I think he could not relate to people. It's like leftover food in the icebox. The artist cut a thin sheet of plywood into separately inked shapes and then, in collaboration with ULAE (Universal Limited Art Editions), the Long Island studio that printed the work, devised a special method for eliminating the white lines between them when printing. And also a torn-out picture from the [New York] Times of the painting [Cyclops, 1947] that won [William] Baziotes the [Art Institute of] Chicago [Chicago, IL] award, and it was in 1947 or 8 which is when Baziotes was at his best. I mean if I'm going to compete it's like it's on a loftier level. Marjorie needed help with Latin. I looked hard and long at pictures and I would go back and I would decide which of a certain artist's pictures worked better than others, or why none worked at all. MS. FRANKENTHALER: I don't. Or romantic. That this was the message in life and what we owed this master. I think I put it in such a way and what came through was this passionate interest not just a stupid kid [inaudible]. There was a split finally, I think when, what happened was, well, I'm, too many different stories, that split occurred when Grace before a show once and this used to happen with many artists all the time, say, a week before the show Clem would be invited to take a look at the choices or to help make the choices and then would let the artists know how he felt about it. In addition its striking departure from first-generation Abstract Expressionism, Color Field art is often seen as an important precursor of 1960s Minimalism, with its spare, meditative quality. 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